DOING
THE STORY
Just as you start on a story, you talk to groups and
individuals. So I picked up the phone and started to ask women I knew, “Do
you know any lesbians?”. Instead of a straight answer, some sternly
questioned, “Why are you asking me?” Or after a brief talk,
“Why do you want to know?”
Face to face, women reacted
with a pause more than men. Many tried to conceal their surprise or awkwardness
at saying ‘yes’, ‘no’ or ‘I don’t know these
sort of people.’ (For all those who don’t know, you might be with
one).
Not just that. A male buddy of mine replied, “Oh yes I do.
What kind of a joke is this, ‘Do I know any lesbians?”’ Since
I did not get many leads, another guy suggested I should masquerade as one. Next
time, I thought a veiled approach would be better.
I asked a celebrity if
she wanted to speak on a woman-to-woman relationship. Justifiably she questioned
further, “What kind?” “The emotional and the physical
one,” I answered. “Oh absolutely not, definitely not me,” was
the reply. Another celebrity from the media said, “Who asked you to speak
to me?” Since I wasn’t into giving names, the visibly angry
celebrity questioned further, “Whom all have you spoken with?” I
still wouldn’t tell, except for the names that my story discloses. End of
conversation.
As most of my friends knew I was working on this story, the
men were more interested to know if any of the women had made a pass at me. They
also wanted to know what my reaction would be if one of them did. The answer
was: A pass by a man is any day repulsive. Almost all the women I spoke to from
the lesbian community wanted to know what prompted me to do this story. Well,
the idea came from Femina and the editor shall answer
that.
SHABANA AZMI
DISCUSSES THE FILM
FIRE

What’s your perspective on lesbian relations having dealt
with it in the movie
Fire
?
Fire
wasn’t only about lesbian
relationships. To me, essentially,
Fire
was a key — a peg towards trying to understand ‘the other’
— the other religion, other race, other nation — anything that we
view as outside of our self.
It was about whether we could empathise with
these two women who fall in love with each other. We have treated this issue in
India by pretending that this does not exist, as we do with most other issues we
are uncomfortable with. If you want to deal with an issue, the first thing that
you have to do is accept that it exists.
Then, as a society that calls
itself tolerant and all-encompassing, you have to work out a relationship to
include those marginalised sections of society, who you don’t necessarily
understand.
Fire
for me was an
opportunity to present that point of view.
I knew some people would react
with wonder, some with anger, some with total acceptance, some with rejection
and some with inquiry. That’s the first step in dealing with it —
when you can inquire rather than reject. So
Fire
provided that opportunity. A large
number of people who spoke to me from different sections of society seemed to
have liked it, rather than disliked
it.”
COMING THROUGH
THE AGES
Homosexuality has an ancient history in India, with references
to it found in texts like the
Rig Veda
and then again in the
Kama Sutra
.
Sculptures found in ancient sites across India, clearly depict
homo-sexuality.
It is believed that suppression of homosexuality began with
the advent of Brahminism; the Manusmriti laid down severe punishments for women
indulging in homosexual acts. The suppression was reinforced by British
Colonialism.
Viewing homosexuality as a ‘new’ phenomenon, or
one that has entered the country because of ‘Western media’ (the
favourite punching bag!) is thus, rather erroneous. It is not a freakish
development of modern society, nor something to be dismissed as a
‘problem’ individual. It is a state of being, one that has seemingly
existed through the ages.
The Legal Aspects